glterminal
Oh, now, this is cool. There’s been a thread over at arstechnica asking for a full-screen terminal app for Mac OS X, and the guys at that forum unearthed the uber-geeky terminal app “GLTerminal”. GLTerminal emulates a 1970’s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber.
UPDATE: Kim Slawson has graciously updated the OpenGL character bitmap and Finder icon for Mac OS X 10.5.
Download his updated version here, but make sure to visit his how-to page because the instructions for getting it working have changed a bit (also, he’s got a great blog!). It would still be the Best of All Possible Worlds if original author James McCombe could be convinced to throw the source code on a server somewhere, but that’s his call.
~jeff
December 31st, 1969 at 4:00 pm
January 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
App of the year, for sure!
January 15th, 2006 at 6:10 am
Hiya, nice app. Something’s wrong with the prefs though, ’cause if I save the settings as default once I’ve set the terminal to display in classic mode, all I get after a relaunch is a big black screen with some green parts on.
January 15th, 2006 at 8:34 am
Yeah, make no mistake: this app is kind of broken. Prefs don’t save right. Hopefully someone will find the original author (James McCombe) and hopefully he still has the source code to update it for 10.4. The guys in that thread above have just been fixing what they can, but without the actual source code, it’s hard to make genuine improvenings to the app.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:52 am
Why not making a screen saver out of this fabolous app :)
February 1st, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Gee, close source software stops you from modifying and improving it. Big surprise. Maybe you should re-implement it so other can improve it as well. Now you’re all going to gang up and suggest YOU LIKE THESE RESTRICTIONS.
February 1st, 2006 at 1:07 pm
[...] Check out the curved terminal here. [...]
February 1st, 2006 at 1:07 pm
when a winXP version ?
February 1st, 2006 at 1:33 pm
funnt, it remains to be seen whether this is closed source software. Someone has to contact the author and find out whether he’ll release the source. This is merely a case of developers not actually *possessing* the source, which has nothing to do with open v. closed source issues.
Think before you type. It makes the words that come out much more sensible.
February 1st, 2006 at 1:35 pm
> when a winXP version ?
As soon as you’re able to install MacOSX/x86 on whitebox hardware…
February 1st, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Ah, it’s good to know that there is really no application so trivial or frivolous that you can’t provoke a rant from a GPL zealot by exercising your legal and moral right to not release it under Stallman’s terms.
February 1st, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Awesome - now I can type “4 8 15 16 23 42″ over and over every 108 minutes!
February 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pm
CrackWilding, excuse my english as my romanian is much better, it matters not about source availability, it matters if the software has endowed all users with the freedoms set forth by free software. You seem to misunderstand that free software is not just the source code, it is the RIGHT to change, to distribute and to distribute derivatives under the same license.
For instance by modifying the binary and distributing it without permission you are breaking copyright law, you were never given this right. If this was truly free software (or Open Source) you would be endowed with this right and you would know you had this right.
Thus this has everything to do with your so called “open v. closed source” issues.
Maybe you should read up about free software at http://www.fsf.org/
February 1st, 2006 at 2:17 pm
Doctor Memory, you forget that no one was given permission to modify and distribute modifications of this program. There are no licensing documenation accompanying the program, all you have is:
Note: the application GLTerminal was made by James McCombe. This copy of the bundle has a modified version of the file GLTerminal>Contents>Resources>ClassicTerminalPlugin.bundle>Contents>Resources>VT100CharacterSet.tga in order to facilitate running it under Mac OS 10.4. This is a hack, and should be treated as such. Mr. McCombe doesn’t even know this version of his program exists.
You are not granted these things, they must be given.
February 1st, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Actually, you have the right to use and modify any program you own, without getting special permission. See here: http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html
February 1st, 2006 at 2:24 pm
FREE THE ENUMCLAW 3!
February 1st, 2006 at 2:58 pm
Hey, why not go all the way and add an additional transparency layer that simulates phosphor burn :)
Excellent app! Been coding all morning at 9600 baud with bad flicker and all and loving ever moment of it.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:11 pm
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February 1st, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Hello. I am the original author of this terminal. It was written actually a few years ago as a side project and it got leaked somehow since I never intentionally released it, knowing that it had a lot of unfinished work.
Given the fact people seem to like this so much, I will try to get time to finish it off and put out a semi-respectable release. Keep an eye on my website over the coming months.
Best,
–James
February 1st, 2006 at 4:07 pm
[...] Now gather ’round kids. There was once, and this is many a year ago, when ones monitor would warp and wobble, flickr and buzz. Aye, I say it be true! And now ye too can have a go on yer feckin’ cinema displays and what not. [...]
February 1st, 2006 at 4:30 pm
funnt: It’s not as if the world has not already reached the saturation point of FSF zealots.
Truly free software would not include encumbering, viral licenses like the GPL.
In this case, it’s not clear that anybody should care. Thanks to Mr. McCombe for offering to finish it up — whether or not he decides to “free” the source (whatever that means).
February 1st, 2006 at 4:51 pm
[...] Link [...]
February 1st, 2006 at 4:55 pm
[...] There is a sweet OS X Terminal app floating around that mimics old 70s glass terminals with screen warp, amber text and brightness glitches and everything. Pretty cool even for a relative n00b like myself who didn’t ever have to use any of that hooey. I did use the old Apple IIs though and they had those nasty green screens with the wicked burn in. Mmm… fifth grade computer class. [...]
February 1st, 2006 at 5:00 pm
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February 1st, 2006 at 5:05 pm
FR34K1N C00L!!!
February 1st, 2006 at 5:07 pm
btw, can we get a FRIGGIN SCREENSAVER WITH THIS TODAY
February 1st, 2006 at 5:19 pm
The last time I saw this app, it was on the computers that Apple had set up for public access at the OSCON convention in Portland a few years ago. I researched it afterwards and couldn’t find any information about the original developer and, at the time, the only mention of it I could find anywhere was a blog posting from another person who had seen it at OSCON. Great to know that it’s working in 10.4.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:33 pm
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February 1st, 2006 at 6:26 pm
But can it emulate a Model 40 Teletype? ;->
February 1st, 2006 at 6:47 pm
evil bob, your American use of the word freedom is a freedom where everyone else suffers because of you, your freedom is the freedom to take, close, and abuse. The FSF freedom is for the community, for everyone, not just you in your company. FSF Freedom means we play by the same rules, we trade alike and we, the community, always have freedom to what we will to derivatives of property “gifted” to the community.
There isn’t a lot of point to your pro-BSD/LGPL post other than one side arguing freedom of the individual is more important freedom of community. Which in turn is a very American arguement to get into.
The fact that you use the word VIRAL to describe GPL code shows that you do not understand how the GPL works. You choose to make derivatives, it doesn’t just happen by accident.
February 1st, 2006 at 7:41 pm
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February 1st, 2006 at 7:46 pm
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February 1st, 2006 at 8:26 pm
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February 1st, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Ah, the model 40 - teletype - that was a GREAT
terminal, nice wide screen and all
how about an ann arbor ambassador? those (available
in both modes) were great, although maybe the old eyes
would not be able to read the tiny font these days!
doug
February 1st, 2006 at 9:37 pm
[...] para esses, senhoras e senhores, apresento o glterminal. podem escolher entre monitor verde e ambar (eram lindos!), o delay que seria provocado pela velocidade das ligacoes e a velocidade do refresh. experimentem em fullscreen para voltarem aos tempos de antigamente. [...]
February 1st, 2006 at 10:13 pm
intellectual property is not toys !
if the author add the licence term with its software we would know if a modification AND REDISTRIBUTION is authorized !
the author seems to be a kind person and he’s not annoyed by that.
about GPL, no one is forced to do a derivative works of a gpl works
is it so fair to allow people to take works from nice people and change it in a closed products with LESS freedom to users ?
noone can force good and nice developpers to put their works under microsoft eula, gpl, apple licence, apl 2, Bsd, mit or whatever terms you imagine the “stallman” want. it’s a free(dom) country.
about community or zealot : THANKS people distributing THEIR works in terms authorizing YOU to modify, to hack, to REDISTRIBUTE software to ANYONE. Do you imagine how MUCH useful it is ?
thanks them , praises them, be happy, use the good softwares , proprietary ones, free ones, freedom ones, all good softwares and do not be mean.
February 1st, 2006 at 11:19 pm
Part of me wants to go to the local Apple store, load this up fullscreen on all the shiny new Power Macs and iMacs, and watch all the dirty hipsters go apeshit.
February 1st, 2006 at 11:37 pm
[...] Impressionante este aplicativo para MacOSX que emula um monitor antigo, incluindo lag no baudrate que voce quiser, curvatura de tela e glitches visuais. Rodar fortunes nele da ate’ dor no peito de saudosismo. [...]
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:26 am
This is beautiful.. It brought back good memories and gave me warm fuzzies.. Thats a bit scary. Something about the distortion and the flicker. Brings back the days of excited wonder - when these devices were new (to us) and amazing. And the thought that maybe, someday - I could learn to program one of them, and to make them do something !
Thanks.
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:07 am
LMAO, well done! ;-)
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:18 am
Guys, this is awesome! Author for PREZIDENT!!
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:41 am
Great site, thanks dudes
February 2nd, 2006 at 10:31 am
Please let me send you money.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 am
Hey! Assheads!
No one here at LDopa wrote this. We just thought it was funny. Take your TEH GPEL IS TEH GRAET and your OPAN SORES SOFTWEAR SI FRO NERDS arguments somewhere else.
This site serves some very important functions: making fun of Microsoft, Republicans, and Your Mom. Everything else is incidental. So if you don’t have something to say that’s not a) funny or b) something I can’t read at every other fucking weblog in the world, don’t say it. Alternately, say it, then effectively make fun of me for yelling at you about it.
Thank you,
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February 2nd, 2006 at 11:26 am
Aloha!
Has anybody got it to work on an iBook G4 w. MacOS 10.4?
I only get a white screen.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:18 pm
Jochim, go to the prefs and select “Classic Terminal”.
Josh, your comment seems kind of uncharacteristically bitchy. Maybe you and I need to relax and play “Burnout 3″ on Playstation 2 for another seven hours.
~jeff
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pm
Joachim: use classic terminal plugin in renderer preferences.
BTW it doesn’t save the preferences.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:34 pm
I’m always uncharacteristically bitchy!
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I want to go for a hike in the woods. I’ve been cooped up inside with a cold for a week, and the cold’s breaking down, and it’s sunny outside. Wanna go?
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February 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm
This would be a great little extra to toss into the terminal app options in the next OSX release. Hopefully they’d use this guy’s code rather than rewriting it and claiming it as something new (::cough cough:: Konfabulator, anyone?)
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:30 pm
If he chooses not to release the software it’s his right to do so. Buut the only reason I could see is that he thinks that he may make some money out of it. And that’s crazy.
Anyway somebody may rewrite it. It’s not THAT difficult.
I could do it in a bit of spare time.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Hopefully they’d use this guy’s code rather than rewriting it and claiming it as something new
This Guy is currently working at Apple.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:17 pm
Sometimes people don’t release their software because its an embarrassing mess.
Also, ADM3A 4EVER.
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Best App EVER!
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:13 pm
For those with free X distros you can get a similar effect (less features) with xscreensaver e.g.:
/usr/lib/xscreensaver/apple2 -fast -text -program sh
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:38 am
You really need to set the baud rate to 1200 or 300 to get a real feel for the goodness. Ahh, DecWriters, where the Console always spools (until you have to turn the paper over).
February 3rd, 2006 at 1:25 am
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February 3rd, 2006 at 1:40 am
I like how funnt keeps saying “endowed”.
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:52 am
I’ve been looking for something like this app for ages. Unfortunately it’s too slow to be usable on my G3 iBook. Any chance of performance improvements in the near future?
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:26 am
[...] 2) THE PAST An application that emulates a 1970’s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. Get it here. In the words of Brainpool-David: that’s not geeky. [...]
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:06 pm
[...] OS X terminal app mimics old-timey glass teletype [...]
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:11 pm
Okay… THIS JUST ROCKS! I’ve used “dumb” terminals for my job, and my first computer… was a 286 with a green monochrome monitor (oh yeah! with a .. Hercules graphics card! w0oT|) Now, my term looks a lot more like I wish my web page looked. Hmm, screenshots are in order.
Thanks guys, for pulling this thing out of obscurity for us nostalgic old bastards.
“Daisy [a victim of Sleeping Sickness] went to sleep at 15 and woke up many years later. she, being perfectly sensible, decided she ought to die, since she had literally slept away her entire productive life. the medical profession had, in her absence, decided that all life must be preserved, regardless of worth to its owner, and prevented her from performing the only noble act she was capable of.
That Oliver Sacks has been portrayed by Robin Williams in a saccharine mass-market tearjerker movie in no way invalidates his life’s work: documenting the entertaining behavior of people with severe brain anomalies.”
L Dopa fix me, alright?
February 3rd, 2006 at 2:55 pm
[...] The answer is GLTerminal. A small terminal app for Mac OS X: GLTerminal emulates a 1970’s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber. [...]
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm
[...] Not sure what the crap I am talking about? See for yourself! (Thanks, Godurn) [...]
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:25 pm
GLTerminal…
This is a fullscreen screen shot from GLTerminal. You can also have it in Amber and White if you prefer one of those. From ldopa.net via Michael
……
February 3rd, 2006 at 10:54 pm
Absolutely a ‘must have’ terminal application!
It really reminds you that you need another 20 years to really appreciate what you now have!
Thank you a lot!
I really wish I could somehow give the same fresh feeling to the author of this!
-Pete
February 4th, 2006 at 5:06 am
[...] Check it out [...]
February 4th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
[...] wow…this is really kewl! [...]
February 6th, 2006 at 5:48 am
[...] So today, I found a post about glterminal, which apparently uses openGL to emulate the retro feeling of a classic ’70s terminal, in full-screen, including the warped display curvature, flicker and baud rate lag! Isn’t that cool!? [...]
February 7th, 2006 at 11:30 am
we need more fullscreen apps… I hate the OSX menubar and dock.
February 7th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
Ultimate thing to do with it:
telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
watch star wars!
sit back, get you popcorn and enjoy!
February 8th, 2006 at 8:42 am
[...] The relevant threads from Arstechnica are here and here. [...]
February 8th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
Damn cool! I’ll have to install Frotz and play Zork now. :)
February 9th, 2006 at 11:13 am
This it one of the coolest things…now we just need more console apps to run :)
February 10th, 2006 at 9:17 pm
Doggo… What? We really need some connecting sentences there.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:20 am
I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; everything negative has positive side. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints & learn useful things in the discussion.
February 16th, 2006 at 9:13 am
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February 19th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
Terminal en niets dan de terminal…
Helaas biedt Terminal.app niet een full screen optie. Je kunt wel gemakkelijk met Appeltje + ‘+’ en Appeltje + ‘-’ de font grootte snel veranderen. Handig als er iemand over je schouder mee kijkt.
De enige terminal die full scre…
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:53 pm
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March 15th, 2006 at 6:30 pm
[...] Yesterday I found this great new old 1970’s terminal emulator on Digg and I was so addicted to it that it took me a day to blog it. My Engineering team at Speakeasy loaded it up and loved playing with the different options that include baud rate emulation that will put once character on the screen at a time. Highly recommended if your a CLI junkie like me and have a Mac. [...]
April 9th, 2006 at 7:48 am
Программа года! Больше фосфора!…
Ну-с, владельцы Cinema Displays и iMac 20″, только для вас! Как-то проморгал glterminal - полноэкранный терминал для Mac OS X, “эмулирующий” терминалы эпохи “б…
April 14th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
[...] This Mac application really takes me back to when tubes were hot technology. Back in the day, when I was learning programming in college, I had the patience-building experience of programming on a hard copy terminal (the DecWriter) for the first year or so. Round about the beginning of my second year, they began to introduce VT-52 and VT-100 terminals with manual dialup acoustic couplers at a blazing 300 baud. There was one terminal that ran at 1200 baud that people would literally fight over (or come in when the lab opened and stay on it all day). [...]
April 17th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
[...] Aside: Does an app like the Mac’s GLTerminal (originally written by James A. McCombe and some how leaked/escaped) exist for Windows? Does Chris Sells want to write this in Avalon? This would be a rocking sweet Avalon application that I’d happily download the WinFX library for. It could sweep the net. ;) [...]
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pm
I recently spent a few days behind a real one, and this looks even better!
April 28th, 2006 at 1:52 am
so~
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:32 pm
I like to think of myself as a smart girl, but there are a ton who are smarter than me. At least I’m not like Dubbya who has called himself “the Decider”. HAHA - That’s so funny!
May 18th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
[...] Found on digg, this old fashioned terminal emulator is retro and remains practical at the same time! Recommended for any OS X users as geeky as I. read more | digg story [...]
May 24th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
Any older versions of this available. As in not updated for 10.4?
May 29th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
June 1st, 2006 at 4:12 am
Gesh, would someone fix this already, or at least write a new one.
Thank you.
July 9th, 2006 at 10:08 pm
July 12th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
[...] We don’t need Writeroom. (And if you really think you do, why not go two more steps, download GLTerminal, and vi away?) [...]
July 13th, 2006 at 4:58 pm
Actually, WriteRoom with this look-and-feel would simply rock.
And James, looking forward to having this app sans the “second-relaunch-green-bar-bug” :)
July 18th, 2006 at 5:46 am
August 20th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
I plan to buy a new mac and that will be really fun to run this emulator. The real world situation is since my notebook wrecked I’m sitting in the front of a terminal like this with an old CRT and it’s not a ‘cool retro feeling’ for me now but REALITY. ;)
August 21st, 2006 at 12:18 am
funnt:
You need to stop idealizing the whole ‘free software’ thing (and please stop pitting it against America, for crying out loud). This is a neat little app that people are using because they like it and it needs fixing but they are unable to get ahold of the original author.
You’re talking to os x users, here. You don’t need to spit ‘open source’ propaganda at us. We use it daily. And if you want to bring nationalist bigotry into it, that’s fine - as long as I can propose that Romania get it’s internet privileges taken away, as I have yet to see a representative of your (probably) fine country behave rationally online.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:32 am
[...] GLTerminal emulates a 1970 â??s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber.read more | digg story [...]
September 28th, 2006 at 10:56 am
[...] ich habe früher schon an terminals gesessen … komische monitore beobachtet … daran gearbeitet, es war eine zeit in der nerds noch nerds waren und ich ein kleiner wannebe … jetzt habe ich was gefunden was mir genau dieses gefühl auf meinem mac wiederbringt … glterminal … lässt mein herz höher schlagen, von geeks für geeks … sogar das flimmern der alten röhren lässt sich einstellen … die krümmung und die helligkeit … einfach nur gut und jedem zu empfehlen der ab und an mal mit terminals arbeitet und freunde und bekannte schocken will, gerade weil es eines der wenigen fullscreen terminals für den mac ist, die ich bisher gesehen habe … danke für den hinweis und viel spaß allen geeks damit! [...]
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:52 pm
December 13th, 2006 at 4:41 am
[...] this terminal replacement for mac makes me really want to learn how to do more terminal crap now. i’ve been watching ascii star wars (which is great, considering i’ve somehow never seen the start wars movies ->telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl) and i’m getting back into feudal realms. [...]
December 14th, 2006 at 9:29 pm
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[...] GLTerminal [...]
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:07 pm
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Someone needs to build a add-on to iTerm or build a good version of this app. Wasn’t the author going to release the code for this?
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interesting. Heiko from Germany
March 7th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
[...] und ich habe dafür ein tolles Programm gefunden. Es heißt GL-Terminal und man kann es hier [...]
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Does anyone how to get the classic view working in OSX 10.5 / Leopard? It displays fine in normal mode, but the classic view is garbled. Probably a font translation problem?
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November 16th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
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November 21st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
November 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 pm
thanks a lot.
November 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
November 30th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Just a quick note to let everyone know that glterminal HAS been unofficially updated for Leopard. The update fixes the garbled text issue and a few other quirks - not all - but most.
Important thing is: it works again! W00t!
Here is the link:
http://riffraff.livejournal.com/356503.html
Alternatively, search google for “glterminal leopard”.
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