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		<title>By: Jon Land</title>
		<link>http://ldopa.net/2006/12/05/how-these-things-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-18926</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, re: your remarks to Jeff.

It sounds like you&#039;re working under the assumption that most Americans think rationally and logically. Have you ever been anywhere between the East and West Coasts?

This is the problem: Average Americans expect their government to protect them and their best interests because that&#039;s what we&#039;re all told the government is supposed to do. Many, many people are so turned off to politics that they just don&#039;t care how this gets done. Fear is a powerful manipulator of thought, and the current administration has capitalized on this. Now that so many have been made so fearful, they truly believe that profiling, banning travel-sized toothpaste on airplanes, etc, are things which will help the governmrnt keep them safe. So I don&#039;t think this is a tyranny from the majority, I think the majority is being hoodwinked by a minority with a loud voice and a far reach.

I think the only way to settle this is to incorporate Arabs into porn. Once Joe Masturbator sees enough swarthy Middle Easterners penetrating American women, they will get accustomed to the physical appearance of different people and will become &quot;colorblind&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, re: your remarks to Jeff.</p>
<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re working under the assumption that most Americans think rationally and logically. Have you ever been anywhere between the East and West Coasts?</p>
<p>This is the problem: Average Americans expect their government to protect them and their best interests because that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re all told the government is supposed to do. Many, many people are so turned off to politics that they just don&#8217;t care how this gets done. Fear is a powerful manipulator of thought, and the current administration has capitalized on this. Now that so many have been made so fearful, they truly believe that profiling, banning travel-sized toothpaste on airplanes, etc, are things which will help the governmrnt keep them safe. So I don&#8217;t think this is a tyranny from the majority, I think the majority is being hoodwinked by a minority with a loud voice and a far reach.</p>
<p>I think the only way to settle this is to incorporate Arabs into porn. Once Joe Masturbator sees enough swarthy Middle Easterners penetrating American women, they will get accustomed to the physical appearance of different people and will become &#8220;colorblind&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://ldopa.net/2006/12/05/how-these-things-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-18925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did that Gallup poll results make it into the U.S. media anyway? That should have been bumped for the &quot;Paris Hilton wants kids&quot; &quot;story.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did that Gallup poll results make it into the U.S. media anyway? That should have been bumped for the &#8220;Paris Hilton wants kids&#8221; &#8220;story.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s your point -- the American people are capable of thinking stupid thoughts? No big news there. Have you seen, uh, &lt;em&gt;television?&lt;/em&gt;.

More importantly: what&#039;s your suggested plan of action here? Control people&#039;s thoughts? That&#039;s kind of &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; fascist.

I think this discussion has way, way outlasted its usefulness. Besides, we all know that &lt;a href=&quot;http://christianparty.net/gallup.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Gallup Organization is yet one more mainstream American media source which is controlled by and/or advancing the destructive  liberal/feminist/jew/nwo/zionist/sodomite agenda&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s your point &#8212; the American people are capable of thinking stupid thoughts? No big news there. Have you seen, uh, <em>television?</em>.</p>
<p>More importantly: what&#8217;s your suggested plan of action here? Control people&#8217;s thoughts? That&#8217;s kind of <em>more</em> fascist.</p>
<p>I think this discussion has way, way outlasted its usefulness. Besides, we all know that <a href="http://christianparty.net/gallup.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Gallup Organization is yet one more mainstream American media source which is controlled by and/or advancing the destructive  liberal/feminist/jew/nwo/zionist/sodomite agenda&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: cauley</title>
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		<dc:creator>cauley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, provided I am able to round up as many Pepperidge Farm cookies-- particularly the de-lect-able magnum opus mint milano-- I am all for restricting the rights of others (to round up Pepperidge Farm cookies). Sorry to rain on your cookie-rights parade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, provided I am able to round up as many Pepperidge Farm cookies&#8211; particularly the de-lect-able magnum opus mint milano&#8211; I am all for restricting the rights of others (to round up Pepperidge Farm cookies). Sorry to rain on your cookie-rights parade.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never again. Never again will we just stand idly by and let them round up the Pepperidge Farms cookies. Pepperidge Farms remembers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never again. Never again will we just stand idly by and let them round up the Pepperidge Farms cookies. Pepperidge Farms remembers!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://ldopa.net/2006/12/05/how-these-things-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-18919</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Jon, you bring up a good point: you&#039;d have to &lt;i&gt;register&lt;/i&gt; to be so marked.

Jeff, here are some other things that aren&#039;t going to happen:

The United States won&#039;t torture its prisoners of war.
It will only fight in its own defense or that of its allies.
It will adhere strictly to the Constitution.

People in many states have now put into action the first rights-reducing ammendments to their constitutions.

Jeff, man, the point is that no one, anywhere, is safe from the tyranny of the majority. It&#039;s upsetting not because I think that there&#039;s going to be anti-Muslim legislation passed tomorrow, but because 39% of people think that there should be. Those are the people around us. Those are American citizens they&#039;re talking about. In the eyes of the law as it stands, those are people indistinguishable from you and me: they&#039;ve committed no crimes and are not even under suspicion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Jon, you bring up a good point: you&#8217;d have to <i>register</i> to be so marked.</p>
<p>Jeff, here are some other things that aren&#8217;t going to happen:</p>
<p>The United States won&#8217;t torture its prisoners of war.<br />
It will only fight in its own defense or that of its allies.<br />
It will adhere strictly to the Constitution.</p>
<p>People in many states have now put into action the first rights-reducing ammendments to their constitutions.</p>
<p>Jeff, man, the point is that no one, anywhere, is safe from the tyranny of the majority. It&#8217;s upsetting not because I think that there&#8217;s going to be anti-Muslim legislation passed tomorrow, but because 39% of people think that there should be. Those are the people around us. Those are American citizens they&#8217;re talking about. In the eyes of the law as it stands, those are people indistinguishable from you and me: they&#8217;ve committed no crimes and are not even under suspicion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously don&#039;t believe that the government has a list of every known muslim in the U.S. I think where it comes into play is if a mosque, a church, a synagogue or whatever has concrete links to crime. I think it makes total sense to investigate other people who the suspects have come into contact with. So in this case, if a cleric has known Al Queda ties, it&#039;s worth looking into the patrons of his establishment, and yes, they would be Muslims. I think that&#039;s just logical. For instance, if you know that a short order cook is selling meth at a particular IHOP, you&#039;d want to find out if any of the other IHOP employees were involved, so in that case you&#039;d be &quot;persecuting&quot; IHOP employees, which is less politically incorrect, but it is a definable group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously don&#8217;t believe that the government has a list of every known muslim in the U.S. I think where it comes into play is if a mosque, a church, a synagogue or whatever has concrete links to crime. I think it makes total sense to investigate other people who the suspects have come into contact with. So in this case, if a cleric has known Al Queda ties, it&#8217;s worth looking into the patrons of his establishment, and yes, they would be Muslims. I think that&#8217;s just logical. For instance, if you know that a short order cook is selling meth at a particular IHOP, you&#8217;d want to find out if any of the other IHOP employees were involved, so in that case you&#8217;d be &#8220;persecuting&#8221; IHOP employees, which is less politically incorrect, but it is a definable group.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may or may not be an outrageous idea -- but it would also be outrageous if our government were planning on:

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;stealing babies
&lt;li&gt;eating babies
&lt;li&gt;eating more babies after they&#039;ve previously eaten babies
&lt;li&gt;being totally full of babies but still helping themselves to another serving of babies
&lt;/ul&gt;

..however, the thing to keep in mind when discussing the outrageous! things that outrageous! people suggest might happen is that, realistically, &lt;em&gt;they&#039;re not going to happen&lt;/em&gt;, so there&#039;s little sense in getting too too worked up over them, right?

Save your outrage for the realistic problems. It&#039;s precious. 

~jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may or may not be an outrageous idea &#8212; but it would also be outrageous if our government were planning on:</p>
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<li>stealing babies
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<li>eating babies
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<li>eating more babies after they&#8217;ve previously eaten babies
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<li>being totally full of babies but still helping themselves to another serving of babies
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<p>..however, the thing to keep in mind when discussing the outrageous! things that outrageous! people suggest might happen is that, realistically, <em>they&#8217;re not going to happen</em>, so there&#8217;s little sense in getting too too worked up over them, right?</p>
<p>Save your outrage for the realistic problems. It&#8217;s precious. </p>
<p>~jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, Tom, are you saying that it&#039;s not outrageous idea that the government should track members of a certain religion on the assumption that they&#039;re enemies of the state? That we should be cool with that?

I ask because it&#039;s hard to tell from your dismissive and angry comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Tom, are you saying that it&#8217;s not outrageous idea that the government should track members of a certain religion on the assumption that they&#8217;re enemies of the state? That we should be cool with that?</p>
<p>I ask because it&#8217;s hard to tell from your dismissive and angry comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for fuck&#039;s sake people, go drink your kool-aid and lighten up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for fuck&#8217;s sake people, go drink your kool-aid and lighten up.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://ldopa.net/2006/12/05/how-these-things-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-18897</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s crazy? The Founders of the country anticipated this. They said, &quot;Hey, we live in a time of religious strife. I bet this&#039;ll happen again. Let&#039;s make an Ammendment about it!&quot;

And by gum, if they weren&#039;t right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8217;s crazy? The Founders of the country anticipated this. They said, &#8220;Hey, we live in a time of religious strife. I bet this&#8217;ll happen again. Let&#8217;s make an Ammendment about it!&#8221;</p>
<p>And by gum, if they weren&#8217;t right.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never had a Muslim person come to my front door after seeing my rainbow flag, telling me that I am going to burn in everlasting hell. 
I can think of at least one other religion that should be required to carry identification cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never had a Muslim person come to my front door after seeing my rainbow flag, telling me that I am going to burn in everlasting hell.<br />
I can think of at least one other religion that should be required to carry identification cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, the question is not &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/Manufac_Consent_Prop_Model.html&quot;why&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/i&gt; they would have an agenda — that&#039;s clear from the link I posted above. The question is whether or not they succumbed to the temptations and inherent biases. That they know how to write an unbiased question doesn&#039;t mean that they do. It just means they know how to phrase things carefully for a given effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, the question is not <i><a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/Manufac_Consent_Prop_Model.html"why</a rel="nofollow"></a></i> they would have an agenda — that&#8217;s clear from the link I posted above. The question is whether or not they succumbed to the temptations and inherent biases. That they know how to write an unbiased question doesn&#8217;t mean that they do. It just means they know how to phrase things carefully for a given effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://ldopa.net/2006/12/05/how-these-things-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-18862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would Gallup have an agenda? Seriously, they&#039;re the guys who &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote a book&lt;/a&gt; on unbiased question construction in polls. If you&#039;re throwing around accusations of bias, you should have a better source than &quot;my friend who watched a thing on &lt;em&gt;60 Minutes&lt;/em&gt; a year ago&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Gallup have an agenda? Seriously, they&#8217;re the guys who <a href="http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf" rel="nofollow">wrote a book</a> on unbiased question construction in polls. If you&#8217;re throwing around accusations of bias, you should have a better source than &#8220;my friend who watched a thing on <em>60 Minutes</em> a year ago&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, see option 2: this is what Gallup wants people to think other people think.

I&#039;ll dig up some Nurse With Wound and check it out. I&#039;m very curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, see option 2: this is what Gallup wants people to think other people think.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll dig up some Nurse With Wound and check it out. I&#8217;m very curious.</p>
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